from Wit Dohring Psychiatry:
Dr. Peter Gordon: “Over twenty-five years ago, when my son was new, I was taking the membership exam for the Royal Psychiatric Association . I’ve always been a little on the anxious side, and I’ve suffered.I went to see my family doctor in the Aberdeenshire countryside, which is pretty remote in Scotland, and he started taking antidepressants. The reason, which I knew because I was studying psychiatry at the time, was social anxiety, which she explained to me.
At that time, a new drug was widely marketed and widely advertised in the West. That drug was paroxetine, that is, Paxil, Seroxat. At this time Scotland was undertaking a so-called ‘depression’ campaign, which later turned out to have been almost entirely sponsored by the pharmaceutical industry over the past five years. The campaign addressed the “low diagnosis rate of depression.” and “confirm that a treatable condition has been treated.” And most of that, and what I’ve told my patients, and what I’ve been taught on a daily basis, and although some senior psychiatrists today try to argue that this is not the case, , certainly in Scotland where I went every week. Education I was taught about chemical imbalances and all the narcotics guys who were at that meeting were all about his 5-HT. So I thought it was perfectly safe to take antidepressants for anxiety. And I took it, and I probably felt a little better, not significantly. I wasn’t depressed, just anxious and sleepless. But maybe 3-4 months. . . I stopped doing it because I thought it didn’t make much sense. And the next day felt like hell. I felt nauseous, flooded, had light sleep, felt like I had the flu, had a buzz in my head, couldn’t work in the garden because I’m an avid gardener, couldn’t sit. Restless. I wondered what was going on here. And I said to her wife, why am I feeling this way? Do you think it had something to do with the fact that I had just stopped Seroxat and Paxil? That was the beginning of my discovery.
Long story short, ever since then it has really been hell to get off this drug that was said not to form dependencies. And not only was it hell, but probably most of my career to the end, many of my psychiatrist colleagues were good people, kind people who liked me, but they didn’t like me. I didn’t believe it.They won’t say it outright, but they will say many things [like]’Oh, this is a relapse of Peter’s illness,’ I told them, ‘Well, I started this because of my anxiety, I’ve never had any of these mental conditions or physical symptoms. There was no.” These conditions were caused by prolonged withdrawal, but I slowly tried to get out of this abomination. . . i tried everything. . . I tried about 4 to 5 times and gradually peeled it off, and finally I was able to peel it off with a liquid. It probably took at least a year. It felt like hell, but I escaped it.
But over the last few months, I’ve been in a terrible state physically and mentally, and I’ve been feeling worse and worse. . . In 2005, this changed my life. My children were still young at the time, my daughter in kindergarten and my son in elementary school. Then I found myself feeling depressed and suicidal. I couldn’t sleep, I couldn’t eat, I was restless, I was agitated, I felt like I had the flu, and I thought it would never go away.and had suicidal thoughts [and] I ended up in a mental hospital. . . [for] about 3 or 4 months. I tried to end my life. I was put on multiple different psychiatric medications to treat my depression. Well, I was depressed, ask my wife or anyone who knows me. I have never had anything like this. It was directly related to withdrawal from paroxetine.
I ended up having ECT. . . ECT, it was like a sledgehammer. So some of my worst feelings at the time were certainly taken away. But as a result of ECT, I remember very little of him in 2005. It also makes me happy. It’s good that I don’t remember what experiences I gave my family, but it’s also sad that my children were so young at the time that I can’t relive family life again. So finally with ECT, we got to a certain level of state. It took another seven or eight months before I returned to work. In the end, as an outpatient, I said to my psychiatrist: “Look, I think that’s all you can do, because they tried so many different antidepressants on me at the time that I can’t even remember which antidepressants I put together.” But finally I said: “I think you should put me back on Seroxat.”
That was in 2005. 17 years later, I’m still working. And people said, oh Peter, why not use a tapering strip and slowly retract, and I thought about that very seriously. And I’ve even heard people say, “Oh, Peter, you don’t have a ball, you can quit this problem.” And well, they may be right, but I believe life is the way it is — you only live once, it’s pretty short, and I’m terrified, really terrified — I can handle many heartaches on its own, [but] I am afraid to let my family go through what I went through before. Long story short, I’m still taking this paroxetine as of 2023, but I was told I shouldn’t be ashamed to take it because it doesn’t create dependence.
20:19 Narrative in psychiatry has been very strongly controlled by a fairly small group that has had a wide impact on the rest of us. And here I am not just blaming the pharmaceutical industry, of course it is not. I actually blame the healthcare system, the healthcare system, more for being just servile, not questioning enough what we’re doing here and not explaining it to people. But people want quick fixes to their suffering, and we all do. I don’t want anyone to suffer, so I want to solve it quickly. . . However, in any intervention there can be a range of positive and negative outcomes, and usually many in between. So why have antidepressants in particular, but also antipsychotics and other drugs, become so polarized? I think it’s because
22:25 There is plenty of evidence to suggest that the relationship between psychiatry, the investment of funds, and the pharmaceutical industry and medical prescribing can lead to worse outcomes as corporate interests trump corporate interests. think. Patient.
33:03 There’s a small group of people that I call “narrative controllers” who have been paid opinion leaders in the pharmaceutical industry their whole lives and have been there for 10, 20, 30, 40 years. Many of them are nearing retirement and are still “educated.” And there’s no way of knowing how much they’ve been paid in the last few weeks, last month, last year, or as a carrier. And I think the scale of the payments can be huge.
46:23 What I saw on social media… I have been using this for a short time, probably around 6 months from 2014. At first I thought this was great. Because this is a leveling device, leveling people in high positions of power to say what they want to say. don’t ask them. [But] I quickly realized how annoying it was. . . For example, there are some very senior members of the Royal Psychiatrists’ Association in the United States, Canada, and Australia, I think. They are very mean and get away with some of what it would be like to be in a doctor’s office. Most unprofessional behavior. And it is silenced by the Royal Psychiatric Association. ”
Dr. Josef Witt Doering: “There seems to be little interest in conversation beyond the words ‘Antidepressants save lives.’ I see labels like, “You are discouraging people from getting the help they are looking for.” . . There is this threat. And that’s definitely what I was feeling subtly during training and then seeing people I really admire, people like David Healy, talking about these things. , perhaps felt a little louder, and I see what happened to him…”
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